OPINION: The MCU Does Not Deserve The Hate It's Been Getting

OPINION: The MCU Does Not Deserve The Hate It's Been Getting

For the past few years, the MCU has been seen by many as a declining commodity. Yet, the truth is, the franchise does not deserve the hate it's been receiving.

Editorial Opinion
By DanielKlissmman - May 17, 2025 03:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Studios

The MCU does not deserve the hate it's been getting. In fact, it deserves a little more credit for what's it done so far. I know, I know. Hey, listen, put that pitchfork down. Also, don't throw that rock at me. I am a very sensitive person, and I will cry if a rock touches my face, however light the impact may be. No, for now, just sit down and listen. Once I'm done, you can go back to imagining the many different ways in which you want to see my face behind your fist. Just, again, please don't actually do it. I will sob. 

Anyway, the MCU has been mired in controversy the past few years. Its declining critical reception began not long after Avengers: Endgame arrived in theaters. Following the film's release, Marvel Studios announced a slew of new movies and, excitingly, live-action Disney+ TV shows that, for the first time, would be firmly set in the MCU. 

Now, these shows started out strong. WandaVision was a huge hit that had all of us coming up with a thousand different theories about the origin of a man in a beekeeper suit. Loki was basically the MCU's avant-garde offering for those of more refined taste, and What If...? was an okay-received animated series. But even with that success, trouble started brewing in the distance. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, while popular, divided audiences. Then, came the other shows, and that's when things took a turn for the worse. 

The likes of Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk: Attorney at Law came out, and while most of the shows were critically successful, they began to cement the idea that the MCU was getting too convoluted and low-quality relative to what it had been in its early years. Then came EternalsSecret InvasionAnt-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, and... well, if you're tuned into comic book movie coverage, you're aware of what happened next. 

Some (understandably, given the perception around its offerings) began seeing Marvel Studios as a shell of its former self; a company without direction trying to replicate an era that had long passed. That narrative has always bugged me. Not because it's entirely untrue, but because it was, to an extent, blown out of proportion. 

Now, Marvel did struggle with quality, that is not in question. It also likely struggled with having to put out so much content for streaming. After all, Marvel Studios executive Brad Winderbaum confirmed the House of Ideas was mandated to create a lot of material for Disney+ during an interview with the Phase Zero podcast:

"I mean, frankly, in all honesty, there was a mandate to kind of create as much as we could for Disney+ as quickly as we could."

So, the idea that the company was spread too thin isn't far off. Yet, that's not what's in question here. There was some declining quality, particularly on the features side, but it wasn't as gloom-and-doom as it was portrayed as. 

Yes, some MCU TV series and films were of lesser quality than previous offerings, but you know what? For the most part, they were still just okay to good. And, despite the general consensus that Marvel Studios has been a sinking ship in terms of quality, that is not necessarily accurate. 

The TV Shows

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The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, for example, has an 85% score on Rotten Tomatoes. Hawkeye has a 92% score. Moon Knight has an 86%. Ms. Marvel's is 98%. Even She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, which is, frankly, unfairly maligned, has a 79% RT score. Granted, it is vastly different from its Audience Score of 32%, but given how infamous the show was among certain circles, who can be sure of just how many of those reviews were posted by people simply wanting to make the series look bad.

Now, while overall, the aforementioned shows were not universally praised, (in my best Jon Bernthal voice), let me tell ya somethin': they were all fun. 

Hawkeye was a blast; The Falcon and the Winter Soldier just felt like a superhero show, and yeah, I'll say it: She-Hulk was good. It was a fun story about what a superhero lawyer would have to deal with in the MCU, and I loved it. There were some wasted characters here and there (mostly looking at you, Mr. Immortal), but it was a pleasant and funny experience.

Now, I am a huge Moon Knight fan. Like, huge. And I'll be the first to admit the show didn't necessarily capture the awesome world of the character, but even with that departure, I loved the heck out of it. It was an interesting and thought-provoking take on Marc Spector's world. Point being, the MCU series, while not perfect, were still compelling adventures that showcased sides of their shared universe that the movies don't always have time for. 

The Movies

As mentioned, the MCU films are, admittedly, a slightly different story. There was a significant number of features that just didn't hit with audiences following Avengers: Endgame. Those include Eternals, Thor: Love and Thunder, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania and The Marvels.  But just like with the shows, most of these films weren't offensively bad.

Yes, there are plenty of flaws to find in them, but they are, nonetheless, fun and exciting comic book stories brought to life. For example, I really enjoy Quantumania. It's not as good as the first two Ant-Man films, but it's still okay. And I love Kathryn Newton's take on Cassie Lang. She conveyed the excitement of a kid having Ant-Man's powers effectively, while also accurately showing the weight of a daughter realizing the responsibilities her parent had been bearing all along.

The Marvels is also a cute film. It's funny, it has flashy action sequences, and come on... that cat sequence in the last act. Even if you're angry at the movie, I find it hard to believe none of you enjoyed it. Come on, you in the back. Yeah, I see you nodding along. I know you liked it. 

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So, yes, Marvel Studios experienced a decline in quality. That is not in question. The company was forced to juggle putting out multiple live-action and animated TV series while still trying to keep up the excitement and quality of its big-screen ventures. But, the fact that, even with all that pressure, its more disliked products still turned out the way they did speaks volumes about the talent from folks at Marvel Studios. That's why the company deserves more recognition for the past few years.

Some of their movies may not have been received well, but even if you count Quantumania, The Marvels, Love and Thunder, Eternals and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness as "bad," that is still only five movies out of 36 films in total. That's an impressive track record.

And, even with all the turmoil, we've still received generally loved adventures like Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Black Widow (don't fight me on this), Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, and Spider-Man: No Way Home. And the streak has continued with Deadpool & Wolverine, Thunderbolts on the movie side, and with projects like Werewolf by Night, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man and Daredevil: Born Again.

All the shows and movies mentioned here are not perfect masterpieces, but they're not offensive trainwrecks either. Their rating scale goes from really good, to pretty good, to okay, with only rare sprinkles of bad. 

It's also worth noting that in earlier phases, not all films were well-received. They may be looked at fondly now, but movies like The Incredible HulkIron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World, Iron Man 3 and Avengers: Age of Ultron were not the most popular when they first came out. Yet, Marvel continued, and eventually finished what is now one of the most revered sagas in movie history. 

They hit a slump back then, but they recovered, and they hit a slump recently, which they are also recovering from. But that is to be expected with a nearly 20-year-old franchise. Ultimately, even with the controversy, we got a slew of exciting shows and movies that, while not all well-received, still have things we can look back on and say, "Huh, that was not half bad." Excitement is building back up for the long-running superhero franchise, and part of that is because of all the different MCU chapters we've gotten to experience, both in the small and big screens. 

Of course it's good that Marvel had the opportunity to hit the brakes, take a step back and slow down its development machine to deliver more quality products. But we should also take a step back and realize that its offerings in the past few years, while not perfect, have been cool and competent adaptations of the comic book characters we've loved for so many years. 

Okay, as promised, now you can imagine punching me now. Just, please, be prepared for a lot of sobbing on my part. Also from my cat. He doesn't like seeing me hurt. 

 So, do you agree with the idea that not everything has been doom and gloom at Marvel Studios and the MCU? Let me know your thoughts in the comments! 

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malschla
malschla - 5/17/2025, 3:02 PM
Yes, it does.
lvcl
lvcl - 5/17/2025, 3:33 PM
@malschla -

DISNEY has earned this hatred.

The MCU was the highest-grossing saga in cinema, and since they bought it, they've used it as a weapon of propaganda, indoctrination, and WOKE education.

These teachings of forced inclusion, which normalize people's weak behaviors, are aimed at making the populace obedient, so that when a fake pandemic hits, they'll stay confined at home and take the experimental vaccines without protest, like cattle.

They promote communism and also destroy families and, consequently, reduce the world's population.

Although they don't only do this with their superhero movies, but also with classic tales like The Little Mermaid and Snow White.

We'll see how long they last with box office flops, but they deserve the studio's bankruptcy.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 5/17/2025, 3:46 PM
@lvcl - Question: Are you retarded?

You just stated Disney bought Marvel to utilize that studio as the propaganda arm of their corporation in order to enforce obedience by keeping people locked in their homes.


And they did this all with a long slew of awful Disney Plus shows and films?


You make @MakeAmericaGayAgain look sane.
lvcl
lvcl - 5/17/2025, 4:27 PM
@McMurdo -

Answer: Your mother was, and you inherited it.

You're not that woke?

Then wake up for real.
RolandD
RolandD - 5/17/2025, 4:29 PM
@lvcl - “They promote communism and break up families.” I would ask you for examples, but since they won’t be any, maybe I shouldn’t bother.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 5/17/2025, 4:37 PM
@RolandD - he's full blown retarded.
lvcl
lvcl - 5/17/2025, 5:28 PM
@RolandD - @McMurdo

Well, here we have a clear example of Disney bots or the victims of their doctrine.

When there are no arguments to defend themselves, all that remains is easy insults.

They try to impose a single way of thinking, which is their only truth, and they don't respect other ways of thinking.

This happens in Korea, Cuba, or Venezuela.
fanboy03191
fanboy03191 - 5/17/2025, 6:07 PM
@McMurdo - don’t talk about yourself like that.
RolandD
RolandD - 5/17/2025, 8:59 PM
@lvcl - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Why didn’t you just say that you didn’t have an answer?
RolandD
RolandD - 5/17/2025, 8:59 PM
@McMurdo - Where do they all get their talking points?
RolandD
RolandD - 5/17/2025, 10:54 PM
@lvcl - Funny, my original comment did not include any insults to you, but your reply certainly did to me and yet you blame me for insults. That tracks..
AlexGSpeaks
AlexGSpeaks - 5/17/2025, 11:13 PM
@lvcl - You realize that Disney has owned Marvel since almost the beginning, right? Iron Man 2 was the last movie not made by Disney. You make it sound like their buy was recent.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 5/17/2025, 11:14 PM
@lvcl - It's people like you who give Republicans a bad name and why that party is clowned across the globe.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/18/2025, 12:29 AM
@lvcl - "The MCU was the highest-grossing saga in cinema, and since they bought it, they've used it as a weapon of propaganda, indoctrination, and WOKE education."

You do realize Disney bought Marvel after Incredible Hulk came out, right? There were only 2 MCU movies that were released when they bought it.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/18/2025, 12:31 AM
@McMurdo - This dude is a giant [frick]ing moron.

He said this, "The MCU was the highest-grossing saga in cinema, and since they bought it, they've used it as a weapon of propaganda, indoctrination, and WOKE education."

I dont think he even realizes that Iron Man 1 and Incredible Hulk were the only 2 movies that had been released when Disney bought Marvel. Yet he seems to think the MCU was the highest grossing film saga until Disney bought them lol

CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/18/2025, 12:33 AM
@AlexGSpeaks - This is what I said too lol.

Iron Man and Incredible Hulk were the only 2 MCU films that had been released when Disney bought Marvel. But he seems to think the MCU was the highest grossing saga until Disney bought them and drive them into the ground lol
AlexGSpeaks
AlexGSpeaks - 5/18/2025, 3:00 AM
@CorndogBurglar - It's not unusual, sadly. Lots of people act like either Disney only just bought Marvel or that they only recently started paying attention to the making of Marvel movies. I once got into a real life argument with a guy who flat out believed that Disney didn't get the MCU until after Winter Soldier. Fool had an "explanation" for every piece of evidence I showed him that said otherwise.
Chaos200
Chaos200 - 5/18/2025, 10:39 AM
@malschla -
Definitely does.
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 5/17/2025, 3:07 PM
Yes it deserves the "hate". (More like profound disappoint IMO...) The MCU must earn back the high expectations and fan-loyalty that they have predominately pi$$ed away ever since ENDGAME. Deadpool/Wolverine was a BIG step back in that direction with Thunderbolts being a more modest step back in the right direction. My spider-sense is telling me that FF will land somewhere in between those two. 🤨
Nolanite
Nolanite - 5/17/2025, 3:13 PM
@SuperiorHeckler -
They have an uphill battle with The Fantastic Flop mainly because of its previous history with the movies prior to this new "one".

I don't think The Fantastic Flop is going to make as much money as they think it will. Id be surprised if it makes more than 60 million opening weekend. Superman is going to run right through it because of word of mouth.

Another flop for Marvel and Disney.

Nolanite out
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/18/2025, 10:29 AM
@SuperiorHeckler - No it doesn't. And I've been pointing this out with statistics for years. It deserves criticism where it's due. But the hate it gets is MOSTLY dramatic whining.

Let's just take this for example:

"they have predominately pi$$ed away ever since ENDGAME."

There's actually no merit to this whatsoever. It's an ignorant notion that people just hear and carelessly echo. And this isn't my opinion. This is backed by the numbers. And averaging all the reviews from RT, IGN, IMDb, and Meta Critic, PHASE 4 is actually the second highest rated phase. With Phase 3 obviously being #1.

At the end of the day, there are far more projects that reviewed favorably than not.
TheJoker13
TheJoker13 - 5/18/2025, 10:45 AM
@Nolanite - You’d be surprised if FFNS breaks $60 million? lol, wanna bet? How about this, if FFNS breaks $70 million opening weekend domestic you delete your account and disappear. If it fails to make $70 million I’ll disappear.
Nolanite
Nolanite - 5/18/2025, 11:57 AM
@TheJoker13 -

Deal.

It'll be one less Marvel turd that I won't have to deal with here.

And don't worry, if you tried to come back under a different username, I'll know about it.

Nolanite out
TheyDont
TheyDont - 5/17/2025, 3:08 PM
But does it deserve more hate?
grif
grif - 5/17/2025, 8:47 PM
@TheyDont - all i have
DocSpock
DocSpock - 5/17/2025, 3:08 PM

I do not agree.

Things are worse than you mention.

Particularly, The Marvels was truly horrible. Ant-Man 3 was just bad. F&WS was very bad. She-Hulk & Moonknight were also bad.

You are candy-coating a lot of trash.

Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/18/2025, 10:03 AM
@DocSpock - YOU do not agree. Perfectly fine. But that does not make it fact. Which means things are most certainly not "worse than mentioned". The Marvels was a fun film. Not a top 10 MCU film by any stretch, but it was NOT bad. In fact, it reviewed pretty well. It's not hard to understand that a film you didn't enjoy could be enjoyed by others.

Ant-Man 3 was also not bad. It was flawed, most definitely. Mostly the MODOK CGI. But not bad; "mid" would be more accurate. Folks like yourself REALLY have to learn that the spectrum of good and bad has a lot more range than Terrific and Awful. There's A LOT in between that can be acknowledged with a little bit of rationality.

F&WS was also not at all "very bad". YOU might think so. And that's fine. But again, you do not speak for everyone.

Moon Knight was ABSOLUTELY NOT BAD. Think that all you want for yourself. But it was a GREAT show and yes, it received a lot of praise. The only thing the incessant whiners ever even complain about is "not enough actual Moon Knight". Which is a pathetic criticism. It's simple minded and amateur. The character is complicated and has MANY facets to himself. This show explored all of that. And the acting was top tier.

Now, She-Hulk is an interesting one. It's obviously the most divisive. But that doesn't make it bad. It makes it....divisive. You see...how this works is that others have opinions that may or may not be aligned with yours. YOU don't get to dictate what something IS based solely on your opinion. Especially when consensus isn't at all as dramatic about this shit as some of you are.

So in reality, you're just shit-coating a lot of mid-to-good material.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 5/17/2025, 3:09 PM
It doesn't but you won't convince this site of that
Nolanite
Nolanite - 5/17/2025, 3:10 PM
It deserves every single bit of hate it has earned and gained by its braindead fans.

I will admit that the old saga with the stones was decent but it slowly lost its way after that.

The minute they decided to go the route of nostalgia and cameos they were dead AF in the water.

It's gotten to the point of no return. I absolutely find it funny that people believe that Thundershits is successful... Stupid movie won't even make as much as Captain Falcon did at the box office.

Pitiful in my opinion. But I am just here for the shit show and I am enjoying it wholly.

Nolanite out
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 5/17/2025, 3:17 PM
@Nolanite - I think many folks are highlighting and clinging to the over-all positive critical reception of Thunderbolts to justify its relative quality as an entry in the MCU series. But, as you mentioned; It may not even meet the box-office of the solo Falcon movie. 🫤
AllsGood
AllsGood - 5/17/2025, 4:21 PM
@Nolanite - All the Hate for Disney and Marvel Studios came from when they killed off their favorite Characters and Superheroes. Tony Stark Iron-Man and Steve Rodgers Captain America.
Nolanite
Nolanite - 5/17/2025, 8:56 PM
@AllsGood - well I mean they couldn't go on forever obviously. They had to die or go away somehow.

I just think they they went about it the wrong way. Too bad for them.

Nolanite out
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 5/18/2025, 10:38 AM
@Nolanite - More dramatic nonsense. And it's really ironic that you call the fans braindead when it's the incessant whiners that I see have nothing intelligent to actually say. It's the same blathering over and over. Not only this, but you say, "stupid movie won't even, blah blah blah". You're talking like a child. What actually makes it stupid? You wanna call folks braindead while simultaneously sounding braindead... incredible.

But also, how pathetic is it to express your enjoyment of something you call a shit show? Lol. You're already proving to just have an overall negative disposition.
Nolanite
Nolanite - 5/18/2025, 11:53 AM
@Tonic24k -
Not pathetic enough it seems.

You must be one of those Marvel fan turds that pretends that everything is ok when it isn't. Just accept the fact that you're lying to yourself by claiming that Marvel is doing well.

Nolanite out
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 5/17/2025, 3:13 PM
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AllsNotGood
AllsNotGood - 5/17/2025, 3:17 PM
Owned
dragon316
dragon316 - 5/17/2025, 3:18 PM
Yes it does more than ever
ZaphodDent42
ZaphodDent42 - 5/17/2025, 3:25 PM
Well now you don't get to sit at the cool kids table!!! Really good read, thoroughly enjoyed it.
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 5/17/2025, 3:27 PM
2 things can be true at once. Was the franchise ever dead? No. Is the Multiverse Saga the low point? Yes.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/17/2025, 3:28 PM
@MCUKnight11 - considering it’s only really had 2 Sagas , one being the low point of the 2 doesn’t really matter much.
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