James Gunn Reveals Whether The DCU Can Utilize The Same Villains As Matt Reeves' THE BATMAN Movies

James Gunn Reveals Whether The DCU Can Utilize The Same Villains As Matt Reeves' THE BATMAN Movies

DC Studios' co-CEO James Gunn has revealed whether we could see the same villains from Matt Reeves' "Epic Crime Saga" show up in the DCU down the line...

By MarkCassidy - Jun 17, 2025 04:06 PM EST
Filed Under: The Batman

Though DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn still hasn't 100% confirmed that Matt Reeves' BatVerse, or the "Epic Crime Saga," won't ultimately be folded into the DCU, the filmmaker did recently state that Robert Pattinson was highly unlikely to remain on as the DCU's Dark Knight.

"It would be a consideration. We’d have to think about it," Gunn said during a recent Rolling Stone interview. "We’d have to think about it. It is not like we’ve never discussed it. I would never say zero [chance], because you just never know. But it’s not likely. It’s not likely at all."

"I’ll also say Batman Part II is not canceled," the filmmaker confirmed. "That’s the other thing I hear all the time — that Batman Part II is canceled. It’s not canceled. We don’t have a script. Matt’s slow. Let him take his time. Let him do what he’s doing. God, people are mean. Let him do his thing, man."

So, assuming DC Studios does forge ahead with Batman: The Brave and the Bold (if it keeps that title), there's a chance we could have two separate Batman franchises running concurrently.

The Batman already introduced several major Batman baddies in The Riddler, The Penguin, The Joker and Catwoman, and some fans have wondered if this might prevent new interpretations of these characters from being utilized in the DCU.

Gunn was asked if there's any agreement between himself and Reeves relating to which Batman villains they can/can't use on Threads, and responded with the following.

Gunn was also asked about tonight's Clayface casting news, and debunked a recent rumor that the project has undergone a significant rewrite.

As for Reeves' sequel, plot rumors continue to swirl. We have heard that Hush and/or Mr. Freeze could end up being the villains. There doesn't seem to be much to these reports, but there is a good chance that the movie will have a winter setting.

What do you think? Would you like Robert Pattinson to join David Corenswet and co. in the DCU, or would you prefer to see a different Dark Knight introduced as part of this new shared universe?

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movieguy18
movieguy18 - 6/17/2025, 4:19 PM
I don’t get the fascination with Pattinson in Gunn’s universe. They wouldn’t mesh in my opinion.
Earleverlasting
Earleverlasting - 6/17/2025, 4:34 PM
Three things I’m tired of seeing actors picking Batman it’s becoming fatiguing . Second, it will be an awe moment to Connect these two worlds with Batman and Superman world’s greatest detective, with the man of steel
BisonScarBlood
BisonScarBlood - 6/17/2025, 4:35 PM
@movieguy18 - They just don't want Matt Reeves batman to exist period.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 6/17/2025, 4:53 PM
@BisonScarBlood - considering it was generic and added absolutely nothing unique to the mythology, do you blame them?
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 6/17/2025, 5:08 PM
@movieguy18 - Mesh with what? Gunn's universe doesn't even exist yet and Batman shouldn't have a tone similar to Superman anyways. If they wanted to combine them it wouldn't be that complicated, but I don't think they'd want to. Also because The Batman is not as great as some make it sound.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/17/2025, 5:08 PM
@BisonScarBlood - they made him a really bad amateur detective dressed as a bat.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:15 PM
@movieguy18 - It's not weird to want the current cinematic Batman to be the current cinematic Batman. It's weird to have to create a second one.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:16 PM
And unnecessary.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 6/17/2025, 8:40 PM
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SummersEssex
SummersEssex - 6/17/2025, 8:40 PM
@movieguy18 - someone like Alan Ritchson would fit Gunn’s vibe waaaaaaay more
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 6/17/2025, 8:41 PM
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eagc1995
eagc1995 - 6/18/2025, 12:43 AM
@movieguy18 - Some people don't want them to reboot Batman all over again
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 6/18/2025, 3:55 AM
@movieguy18 - neither did I expect Iron Man, Captain America and Thor to work together after seeing their first individual movies, yet it did in Avengers.

That said, I rather see them kept separately. Allows both Gunn and Reeves to do their own thing.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/17/2025, 4:49 PM
Interesting , the villain usage like anything else ultimately I guess depends on the story they want to tell which makes sense.

I kinda hope we get more obscure or lesser known villains used like Nobody in the comics who is Morgan Ducard , son of Henri Ducard who was one of the people that trained Bruce…

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I dug that story and it’s fitting thematically for a father and son narrative since it deals with the war between Bruce & Morgan over the past as the latter tries to lure Damian to his side.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 6/17/2025, 9:56 PM
@Godzilla2000Zer - loved that show as a kid
narrow290
narrow290 - 6/17/2025, 10:48 PM
@Godzilla2000Zer - my childhood
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/17/2025, 5:07 PM
Few DCU Batman villain picks…

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1stDalek
1stDalek - 6/17/2025, 5:46 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Ewan Mitchell as Joker would give me life! I need it
Waifuslayer2
Waifuslayer2 - 6/17/2025, 5:15 PM
"Matt's slow"

Yeah, no shit.
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I actually liked The Batman and even I'm sick of waiting for this fool to "do his thing"
SummersEssex
SummersEssex - 6/17/2025, 8:41 PM
@Waifuslayer2 - I liked it too, very few complaints, but the movie is just unnecessary. We should have gotten a comic book-y Batman, not another gritty realism Batman
Waifuslayer2
Waifuslayer2 - 6/18/2025, 4:20 AM
@SummersEssex - I'm fine with a dark and gritty Batman. We saw what comic-book-y Batman is like with the Affleck cameo in The Flash and it's horrible.

My main issues with The Batman are mostly with the writing. Right off the bat (no pun intended) the movie opens with a montage showing how scared Gotham's criminals are of Batman, then in the next scene he steps out of the shadows and a street gang laughs at him.

It's so stupid and makes no sense.

The e there's a bunch of small and larger issues I have with the script but the biggest offender of all is that it's kind of too dull to rewatch.

Id have zero issues if another writer took over. Reeves can direct I'd he wants but at this point I don't care if he's replaced.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 6/17/2025, 5:16 PM
Gunn had Superman's entire rogues gallery at his fingertips and he went with Lex Luthor, Engineer, and a dragon.

I don't think he'd plan on using any popular Batman villains for his movie regardless of Matt Reeves' movies.
JFerguson
JFerguson - 6/17/2025, 5:18 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - lol. Led Luthor and bizarro are gonna be the villains. Let’s not kid ourselves.
1stDalek
1stDalek - 6/17/2025, 5:51 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - I bet Joker will show up early, specially if Reeves holds out on using him in Part 2.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 6/17/2025, 8:45 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - Give me: Scarface for $200!

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KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 6/17/2025, 8:51 PM
@1stDalek -

The next Gunnverse Joker:

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JFerguson
JFerguson - 6/17/2025, 5:16 PM
I liked how the end of The Batman promised a more hopeful hero. Would have been great to get that in the DCU. HOEVER, I agree the universe is overall too grounded to mesh with Gunn vision
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:19 PM
@JFerguson - Just because the movies are grounded doesn't mean the universe has to be.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:21 PM
@JFerguson - The MCU is broad and fantastic but we still got the Netflix Daredevil show and the Iron Man movies and Winter Soldier.
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 6/17/2025, 5:33 PM
He’s prob too old now but I always wanted to see Bobby Cannavale play Two Face

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KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 6/17/2025, 8:52 PM
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TheJester187
TheJester187 - 6/17/2025, 5:37 PM
Too bad it’s not Basilo. I bet Matt is using him in his Crime Saga. Gunn please keep your mouth shut on Batman until BATB casting news. Still pissed you came out and said you don’t know how to approach Batman in your universe.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:22 PM
@TheJester187 - He already did a Karlo who changes her appearance to look like other people in The Penguin.
1stDalek
1stDalek - 6/17/2025, 5:44 PM
Joker is Batman's arch-enemy so he'll show up in each and every cinematic Batman adaptation, just like Lex does with Superman, but most of the other villains Reeve's uses can stay with his take while he finishes his trilogy. Even if the DCU team wants to use them, there's plenty of space for crafting unique versions of them that stand out.

ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:25 PM
@1stDalek - If Battinson is folded into canon they probably should change the Joker. Not all of Peacemaker Season 1 is canon, the Justice League thing no longer happened, so that particular part of The Batman should mos def be given the axe too.
Repian
Repian - 6/17/2025, 6:28 PM
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ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:31 PM
@Repian - [frick] and yes! He's long been fancast and long been overlooked. An older Joker would be pretty cool too.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/17/2025, 6:32 PM
It's like Brian Bolland drew him and brought him to life. Plus after the Brutalist and the Oscar win...
1stDalek
1stDalek - 6/17/2025, 7:29 PM
@ObserverIO - I am not sure how willing Gunn and Reeves would be to recast if they fold Battinson in. Keoghan wasn't great in his short scenes, but he's a talented actor with a Bafta and a handful of Oscar noms and I can see them giving him another shot, specially if they already have him under contract for a couple more appearances.

@Repian - Fantastic choice if they want to go older! I'm very much into Ewan Mitchell if they're going younger for the character.
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